Südostdeutscher Fußballverband

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Moin moin,

No offense taken - I did not think about this being related to the BdV 

Glad to hear that you didn't misunderstand me.

Of course, but these logos do not belong here - they were certainly not used by these clubs while they were members of the DFB.

I think you are right with the one of Ruch. There is no need to refer to it in this DB at all. But I am sure AKS is the legal successor, so I would prefer to leave it in the database only to demonstrate how the club has developed further after the war.

What I don't understand is why you have AKS Chorzów under ID 1 000 000 163, separately from the pre-WW2 VfR/AKS/Germania Chorzów (ID 1 000 000 038, with the correct logo). What is the purpose of this entry?

As I understand my sources, I think it's clear by what I just wrote. I want my database to reflect the historical development of all mentioned clubs in a most complete and correct way, up to nowadays if still existing, so imho this belongs there. And if you mean why I made two different entries - that's the same reason as in my other DBs: I cannot supply different logos to one ID.

Ruch was founded on April 20, 1920 in Bismarckhütte (the name "Hajduki Wielkie" was not officially used until 1923)

In one of my sources it was first called "Bismarkhucie" in Polish, and the name of the town was officially changed to "Wielkie Hajduki" on January 1st, 1923. So this information seems to be correct, as you can verify it.

as an exclusively Polish club. It was soon affiliated with the Polish FA and started playing regional championship (A klasa) qualifying matches in July 1920. The competition proper started in December 1920, and Ruch finished third. In 1922, it won the regional competition and debuted in the finals of the Polish championship.

Bismarckhütter Ballspiel Club was founded in 1908 and merged with Ruch on January 7, 1923 (the name was changed to Ruch BBC Wielkie Hajduki). BBC brought in a better quality pitch (the so-called "Na Kalinie" or "Hasiok"), which Ruch used until 1935.

When WW2 started, Ruch was first dissolved, but in November 1939 got reactivated as Bismarckhütter Sport Vereinigung 1899 e.V. (mostly with the same players), under which name it played until 1945 in Gauliga Oberschlesien. Legally, though, it was a continuation of BBC rather than Ruch, because BBC was a member of the DFB until 1922, when it found itself in Poland. Together with over 140 other clubs, it was a founder member of the Wojewodschaft Fußballverband (WFV), a short-lived association of German clubs in Polish Upper Silesia.

Thank you very much for this background information. It's hard to find reliable sources, especially if you don't speak polish! O0 But by some of your statements (as: mostly with the same players) it may be better to involve Ruch in this sequence. I should only mention the facts you state here to give the user a more correct view of that period of football clubs in that region.

By the way, Ruch does not mean "Vorwärts" in German, but something like "Bewengung" (cf. Widerstandsbewegung = resistance movement).

Sorry for that mistake, but I found this literally in one of my sources. :o

Mfg Michael